Probleme beim finden einer Fare auf EF (LH MFFEG)

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ilhayahelwa

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Hallo!

Ich suche die Tarifkonditionen für den Tarif MFFEG/II11.
Bei EF find ich diesen Tarif nicht, obwohl einige andere Tarife die in die M-Klasse buchen dort sind...

Irgendwelche Tipps wie ich da richtig suche?

Danke!
 

Peter

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So wirds schwer, wir brauchen mehr Details:

Strecke
Datum der Reise
Datum des Ticketing (Ausstellungstag!)

...dann geht das RatzFatz...
 

ilhayahelwa

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Sorry!

Ausgestellt wurde: heute

Strecke:
27JUL CAI-FRA (LH Buchungsklasse T)
27JUL FRA-NAP (LH Buchungsklasse T)

5AUG NAP-MUC (LH Buchungsklasse M, Fare MFFEG)
14AUG MUC-CAI (LH op by MS Buchungsklasse M, Fare MFFEG)

Alles zusammen auf einem 220er-Ticket ausgestellt.
 

reifel

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Hi, hier die Rules:


** RULES DISPLAY ** TAX MAY APPLY
SURCHG MAY APPLY-CK RULE
27JUL12**27JUL12/LH CAINAP/NSP;EH/TPM ...../MPM 1491
LN FARE BASIS OW EGP RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAXFR
01 MFFEG 5070 M - - - + + - 12M R
FCL: MFFEG TRF: 22 RULE: EMEG BK: M
PTC: ADT-ADULT FTC: XPX-INSTANT PURCHASE EXCURSION
RU.RULE APPLICATION
ECONOMY FARES FROM EGYPT TO EUROPE
APPLICATION
AREA
THESE FARES APPLY
FROM EGYPT TO EUROPE.
CLASS OF SERVICE
THESE FARES APPLY FOR ECONOMY CLASS SERVICE.
CAPACITY LIMITATIONS
THE CARRIER SHALL LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PASSENGERS CARRIED
ON ANY ONE FLIGHT AT FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE AND SUCH
FARES WILL NOT NECESSARILY BE AVAILABLE ON ALL FLIGHTS.
THE NUMBER OF SEATS WHICH THE CARRIER SHALL MAKE
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AVAILABLE ON A GIVEN FLIGHT WILL BE DETERMINED BY THE
CARRIERS BEST JUDGMENT
OTHER CONDITIONS
MILEAGE UPGRADE FOR K/ L/ E/ T/ P BOOKING CLASSES
NOT PERMITTED.

MX.MAX STAY

TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO LATER THAN 12
MONTHS AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN.
NOTE -
IF DESIRED RETURN FLIGHT CANNOT BE BOOKED AS DATE
IS OUTSIDE SYSTEM BOOKING RANGE OF 360 DAYS
IN ADVANCE AN ALTERNATIVE FLIGHT MUST BE BOOKED
FOR TICKET ISSUANCE.ANY LATER REBOOKING TO DESIRED
DATE -WITHIN MAXIMUM VALIDITY- IS ONLY POSSIBLE IF
PERMITTED BY FARE NOTE AND REQUIRES REBOOKING FEE
IF APPLICABLE.


SR.SALES RESTRICT
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EXTENSION OF TICKET VALIDITY IS NOT PERMITTED.
NOTE -
SALES RESTRICTIONS/ SEQUENTIAL USE OF FLIGHT
COUPONS
OTHER CONDITIONS
SEQUENTIAL USE OF FLIGHT COUPONS - THIS FARE IS
ONLY VALID IF THE FLIGHTS ARE TAKEN IN THE BOOKED
SEQUENCE. OTHERWISE THE FARE WILL BE RECALCULATED
BASED ON THE ACTUAL FLIGHT ROUTING.
RESPECTIVE REISSUE MUST BE DONE AS DESCRIBED IN
GGAIRLHPT5INFO - OUT OF SEQUENCE REISSUE /1A USER/
GC.LH - GP.68 /1G USER/
G/AIR/LH0 - CAT TICKETING /1P USER/
ESERVICE.SABRE.COM - CAT TICKETING /1S USER/
S.LHB/TICKETING /1V USER/

AP.ADVANCE RES/TKT

RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED FOR ALL SECTORS.
WHEN RESERVATIONS ARE MADE AT LEAST 14 DAYS BEFORE
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DEPARTURE TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED AT LEAST 14 DAYS
BEFORE DEPARTURE.
OR - RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED FOR ALL SECTORS.
TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN 120 HOURS AFTER
RESERVATIONS ARE MADE.
NOTE -
WAITLIST NOT PERMITTED AT TIME OF TICKETING.
---------
DUE TO AUTOMATED TICKETING DEADLINE CONTROL
DIFFERENCE COULD EXIST BETWEEN THE FARE RULE
LAST TICKETING DATE AND THE SYSTEM GENERATED
TICKETING DEADLINE MESSAGE.
THE MORE RESTRICTIVE TICKETING DEADLINE APPLIES

FL.FLT APPLICATION

THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY LH FLIGHT OPERATED BY TK
ANY KF FLIGHT OPERATED BY DC.
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CD.CHILD DISCOUNTS

ACCOMPANIED CHILD 2-11 - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE FARE.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - CH AND PERCENT OF DISCOUNT.
NOTE -
FOR CHILDREN TURNING 12 YEARS ENROUTE - ADULT FARE
HAS TO BE USED FOR THE ENTIRE JOURNEY.
OR - INFANT UNDER 2 WITH A SEAT - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE
FARE.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - CH AND PERCENT OF DISCOUNT
OR - INFANT UNDER 2 WITHOUT A SEAT - CHARGE 10 PERCENT OF
THE FARE.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - IN AND PERCENT OF DISCOUNT.
NOTE -
FOR INFANTS TURNING 2 YEARS ENROUTE - DUE TO
SAFETY REGULATIONS - A BOOKED SEAT WILL BE
REQUIRED FOR THE REMAINING PORTIONS OF THE
JOURNEY. WHEN A SEPARATE SEAT IS REQUIRED ON A
PORTION OF THE JOURNEY - CHILD FARE HAS TO BE
USED FOR THE ENTIRE JOURNEY.
OR - UNACCOMPANIED CHILD 5-11. ID REQUIRED - CHARGE 75
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PERCENT OF THE FARE.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - CH AND PERCENT OF DISCOUNT.
NOTE -
UNACCOMPANIED CHILD UNDER 5 YEARS OF AGE WILL NOT
BE ACCEPTED FOR CARRIAGE. SERVICE CHARGE FOR
UNACCOMPANIED CHILD APPLIES.
THE SERVICE WILL BE OFFERED ONLY ON LH OPERATING
FLIGHTS.
FOR FURTHER INFO PLEASE CHECK GGAIRLHPT11INFO.

AD.AGTS DISCOUNTS
NONE UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED

OD.OTHER DISCOUNTS
NONE UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED

SO.STOPOVERS
FOR MFFEG FARES NOTE - GENERAL RULE DOES NOT APPLY

UNLIMITED STOPOVERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT.
NOTE -
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EACH STOPOVER TAKEN UTILIZES A PERMITTED TRANSFER.
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UNLESS RESTRICTED BY ROUTING ATTACHED TO FARE REC

TF.TRANSFERS/RTGS

UNLIMITED TRANSFERS PERMITTED ON THE FARE COMPONENT
FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS NOT PERMITTED AND EMBEDDED
SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE COMPONENT.
NOTE -
UNLESS RESTRICTED BY ROUTING ATTACHED TO FARE
RECORDS.

SU.SURCHARGES
BETWEEN EGYPT AND EUROPE

THE PROVISIONS BELOW APPLY ONLY AS FOLLOWS -
TICKETS MAY ONLY BE SOLD IN IRAN,ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF.
AND - INFANT 0-1 WITHOUT A SEAT.
THERE IS NO FUEL SURCHARGE PER DIRECTION.
NOTE -
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SALE OF THIS FARE IS PERMITTED WORLDWIDE.
THIS SURCHARGE IS ONLY APPLICABLE WHEN TICKETS ARE
SOLD IN ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF IRAN.

THE PROVISIONS BELOW APPLY ONLY AS FOLLOWS -
TICKETS MAY ONLY BE SOLD IN IRAN,ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF.
A FUEL SURCHARGE OF EUR 86.00 PER DIRECTION WILL BE
ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE.
NOTE -
SALE OF THIS FARE IS PERMITTED WORLDWIDE.
THIS SURCHARGE IS ONLY APPLICABLE WHEN TICKETS ARE
SOLD IN ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF IRAN.


TE.TKT ENDORSEMENT

THE ORIGINAL AND THE REISSUED TICKET MUST BE ANNOTATED -
FL/CNX/CHG RESTRICTED - AND - CHECK FARE NOTE - IN THE
ENDORSEMENT BOX.

PE.PENALTIES
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FOR MFFEG FARES

CANCELLATIONS

ANY TIME
CANCELLATIONS PERMITTED.
NOTE -
THE FOLLOWING RULES APPLY PER PRICING UNIT.
WHEN COMBINING FARES THE MOST RESTRICTIVE
CANCELLATION CONDITIONS APPLY FOR THE ENTIRE
TICKET.
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CHARGE DOES NOT APPLY.
NOTE FOR PARTIALLY USED TICKETS -
REFUND OF UNUSED FEES AND TAXES PERMITTED.
UNLESS APPLICABLE OW/RT FARE PLUS TAXES FOR ACTUAL
TRAVEL IS HIGHER THAN WHOLE ORIGINAL TICKET. IN
THIS CASE NO TAX OR FEE REFUND WILL BE PERMITTED.
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THE OPTIONAL PAYMENT CHARGE WILL NOT BE REFUNDED.
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CHANGES

BEFORE DEPARTURE
CHANGES PERMITTED.
NOTE -
CHANGES PERMITTED FOR REVALIDATION/REISSUE.
NO CHANGE FEE APPLIES.
--------
THE FOLLOWING RULES APPLY PER FARE COMPONENT
/DIRECTION.
--------
CHANGES PERMITTED FOR REROUTING/REBOOKING.
REROUTING/REBOOKING PERMITTED PROVIDED ALL
CONDITIONS OF THE NEW FARE INCLUDING ADVANCE
PURCHASE ARE COMPLIED WITH IRRESPECTIVE IF
CHANGE OCCURS TO OUTBOUND OR INBOUND FLIGHT.
WHEN THE NEW ITINERARY RESULTS IN A HIGHER
FARE THE DIFFERENCE WILL BE COLLECTED.
WHEN THE NEW ITINERAY RESULTS IN A LOWER FARE
A CREDIT OF THE RESIDUAL AMOUNT WILL BE MADE.
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AFTER DEPARTURE
CHANGES PERMITTED.
NOTE -
CHANGES PERMITTED FOR REVALIDATION/REISSUE.
NO CHANGE FEE APPLIES.
--------
THE FOLLOWING RULES APPLY PER FARE COMPONENT
/DIRECTION.
--------
CHANGES PERMITTED FOR REROUTING/REBOOKING.
REROUTING/REBOOKING PERMITTED PROVIDED ALL
CONDITIONS OF THE NEW FARE EXCEPT ADVANCE
PURCHASE ARE COMPLIED WITH.
WHEN THE NEW ITINERARY RESULTS IN A HIGHER
FARE THE DIFFERENCE WILL BE COLLECTED.
WHEN THE NEW ITINERAY RESULTS IN A LOWER FARE
A CREDIT OF THE RESIDUAL AMOUNT WILL BE MADE.

CO.COMBINABILITY
END-ON-END NOT PERMITTED. SIDE TRIPS PERMITTED.
APPLICABLE ADD-ON CONSTRUCTION IS ADDRESSED IN MISCELLANE
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PROVISIONS - CATEGORY 23.
OPEN JAWS
FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
-TO FORM SINGLE OR DOUBLE OPEN JAWS.
A MAXIMUM OF TWO INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS
PERMITTED.
MILEAGE OF THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE EQUAL/LESS THAN
MILEAGE OF THE LONGEST FLOWN FARE COMPONENT.
PROVIDED -
THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE
WITHIN
-WITHIN AREA 1 OR WITHIN AREA 2 OR WITHIN AREA 3
COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER LX/OS/SN/
LH IN ANY RULE AND TARIFF.
THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE
WITHIN
-WITHIN AREA 1 OR WITHIN AREA 2 OR WITHIN AREA 3
COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER LO/SK/TP/
SA IN ANY RULE IN TARIFF
IPREUAF - BETWEEN EUROPE-AFRICA
IPREUME - BETWEEN EUROPE-THE MIDDLE EAST
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IPRMEAF - BETWEEN THE MIDDLE EAST-AFRICA.
ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS
FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
-TO FORM ROUND TRIPS
-TO FORM CIRCLE TRIPS
A MAXIMUM OF TWO INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS
PERMITTED.
PROVIDED -
COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER LX/OS/SN/LH
IN ANY RULE AND TARIFF.
COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER LO/SK/TP/SA
IN ANY RULE IN TARIFF
IPREUAF - BETWEEN EUROPE-AFRICA
IPREUME - BETWEEN EUROPE-THE MIDDLE EAST
IPRMEAF - BETWEEN THE MIDDLE EAST-AFRICA.

HI.HIGHER INTERMEDIATE POINT

THE HIGHER INTERMEDIATE POINT RULE DOES NOT APPLY FOR
STOPOVERS.
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VC.VOLUNTARY CHANGES
VOLUNTARY CHANGES CONDITIONS MAY APPLY FOR AUTOMATED
REISSUE/REVALIDATION
REFER TO PENALTIES CATEGORY *PE FOR DETAILS
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Danke!! Wie dumm von mir, ich hab NAP-CAI gesucht bei den Fares auf EF. Logischerweise muss man aber ex CAI suchen, weil das ja der Tarif ist. Ob der dann nur als halber RT angewandt wird oder komplett ist ja eine andere Sache.

Eine Frage hätt ich noch: Wenn in den Fare Rules von "Fare Component" die Rede ist, dann ist damit nur jener Teil des Tickets gemeint der in die entsprechende Fare gebucht ist, korrekt?

Und versteh ich das hinsichtlich des Routings richtig:
Meine Buchung ist eigentlich ein CAI-NAP-CAI roundtrip mit der Besonderheit, dass einmal via MUC und einmal via FRA geroutet wird. Zusätzlich ist dann in MUC noch ein Stopover eingebaut, der bei MFFEG ja ebenfalls erlaubt ist. Tariflich hab ich wohl End-on-End auf halber RT-Basis.

Sorry bin auf dem Gebiet Fare Rules noch recht neu...
Gibt es hier irgendwo eigentlich einen Thread wo die gängigsten Regelungen der Fare Rules beschrieben werden?

Danke jedenfalls nochmal!
 

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Ohne Dein Ticket jetzt zu kennen gehe ich nicht von einem End-on-End aus.
End-on-End wäre wenn Du zB bei Airberlin zwei verschiedene Fares in einen Tarif buchst.
Z.B. fliegst du FRA-TXL-CPH und es ist günstiger den Inlandsflugpreis FRA-TXL (z.B Farebasis ABCDE) mit Special auf TXL-FRA zu buchen (zb Farebasis FGHIJ). Da beide Tarife End-on-End zulassen, ist es günstiger diese Beiden Tarife (zB 49 EUR und 69 EUR) auf ein Ticket zu packen, als den regulären Durchgangstarif (beide Flüge mit derselben Farebasis) zu buchen, der zB 149 EUR kostet).

Du kannst schon deshalb kein End-in-End gebucht haben, weil Der Tarif gar kein End on End zulässt (siehe die von mir einkopierten Bedingungen).

Eigentlich hast Du was ganz simples gebucht: einen Hin- udn Rückflug CAI-NAP. Du kannst dabei in der Tat 50% vom T- und 50% vom M-Klasse return Tarif nehmen.
Das Routing wird in diesem Fall entweder über MUC oder FRA erlaubt sein, d.h. ob Du über MUC oder FRA fliegen willst ist Deine Sache, und das kann auch bei Hin- und Rückflug unterschiedlich sein.
Der M-Tarif lässt zudem kostenlose unbegrenzte Stopover zu, die natürlich auf dem Routing sein müssen. Da MUC auf dem Routing liegt ist es also absolut zulässig den "Umstieg" auf über 24 Stunden zu verlängern.

Fare Component ist in der Tat dieser Tarifanteil, also lediglich der Rückflug. Wenn der Hinflug keinen Stopover zulässt, dann darfst Du auf diesem Fare Component auch keinen machen, auf dem Hinflug ist das aber zulässig und daher ok.
 
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Wer bucht denn bitte ex-CAI Economy Tarife ?

[KVS Availability Tool 7.0.2/Diamond - Galileo: Fares/PSH/RU]
Code:
CAI  Cairo Intl EG [HECA]
NAP  Naples IT [LIRN]
R/T  27 Jul 2012 | All

Carrier    From    To    Fare      Cur   AdvanceP  Min  Max  Fare Basis | Travel Period
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  ---  --------------------------
LH         CAI     NAP       215   EUR     3 Days    6  360  ERCEG
LH         CAI     NAP       240   EUR     3 Days    3  360  TRCEG
LH         CAI     NAP       290   EUR     1  Day    3  360  SRCEG
LH         CAI     NAP       322   EUR     1  Day    3  360  WRCEG
LH         CAI     NAP       353   EUR     1  Day    3  360  VRCEG
LH         CAI     NAP       406   EUR     1  Day    1  360  QRCEG
LH         CAI     NAP       450   EUR        ***    1  360  GRFEG
LH         CAI     NAP       514   EUR        ***    1  360  HRFEG
LH         CAI     NAP       577   EUR        ***    1  360  URFEG
LH         CAI     NAP       640   EUR        ***       360  MFFEG
LH         CAI     NAP       703   EUR        ***       360  BFFEG
LH         CAI     NAP       766   EUR        ***       360  YFFEG
LH         CAI     NAP       854   EUR        ***       360  Y77RT
LH         CAI     NAP      1017   EUR     1  Day       360  ZRCEG
LH         CAI     NAP      1118   EUR        ***       360  ZRFEG
LH         CAI     NAP      1219   EUR        ***       360  DFFEG
LH         CAI     NAP      1294   EUR        ***       360  CFFEG
LH         CAI     NAP      1648   EUR        ***       360  JFFEG

Meist kann man auch ex-CAI auf MS Metal mit Lh Code buchen, so dass man in einer echten C nach FRA fliegen kann - ohne NEK.
 

ilhayahelwa

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Wer bucht denn bitte ex-CAI Economy Tarife ?

Meist kann man auch ex-CAI auf MS Metal mit Lh Code buchen, so dass man in einer echten C nach FRA fliegen kann - ohne NEK.

Berechtigte Frage!

PAX ist in CAI stationiert (also kein deutscher F-Maximierer), frühester Abflug CAI ist der 27.7. weil am 26.7. noch Termine und Ankunft in NAP muss bis spätestens 27.7. Mittag sein weil es von dort dann per Schiff weitergeht. Daher blieb nur die Super-Frühverbindung (dep 4:10 loc CAI) mit LH via FRA. Da am Rückweg Stopover in MUC gewünscht war kam die Alitalia-Variante über FCO nicht in Frage bzw. wäre preislich unattraktiv.