Can´t trick it! [Der offizielle Bettelthread]

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WolfVanWeen

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Suche eine Möglichkeit, C2-C1-C2 im Juni auf *A zu dumpen. BF 59,-, 208,- Fett. Wäre sehr dankbar für einen Tipp, wo ungefähr ich einen Strike finden könnte. Oder ob sich das Suchen sowieso nicht lohnen würde. Hab schon einiges in C1 ausprobiert, aber vielleicht bin ich ja auf dem komplett falschen Dampfer... sehr gerne auch per PM!
Vergiss es. Du bist auf dem komplett falschen Dampfer. "Combinations are for Carrier UA/AC"
Das lässt sich, wenn überhaupt, nur mit einer aufwändigen Konstruktion entfetten, und das zahlt sich bei nur 208 Euro Fett ganz sicher nicht aus.
(Gar nicht zu sprechen von den Wochen Arbeit, die Du investieren müsstest)
PS. und ja, ich weiß wovon ich spreche. Meine Weihnachtsferien 2014 habe ich genau für sowas geopfert...
 
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Hopper

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Ich hab zwar keine Ahnung wovon Du sprichst (ein FT post oder wo?), aber warum sprichst Du von C2? Du wirst doch nicht Paulus mit Petrus verwechseln?
Und sprichst Du englisch? ;) Das schreit ja geradezu nach einer Übersetzung

Bei travel-cheaper.de ist vor ein paar Wochen die Bezeichnung Heiliger Paulus für einen Strike von den Chinesen gefallen.
 

markusklar

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Gibt es von C3-C2 auch was dumpbares? Bzw. sogar ein Pendant der Polen etc in Asien?
Suche für eine Freundin in BKK nach BRU/AMS/DUS in dem Dreh was billiges :)
 

ati

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Da ich mich noch nicht sehr lang mit der Materie beschäftigt habe, verzeiht bitte, wenn ich mich unklar ausdrücken sollte. Suche nach einem passenden 3x für c2-c1 mit IB. Habe einen Tarif gefunden mit guter BF und ordentlich Fett, was ich gern kürzen würde. Hätte da jemand einen Tipp für mich? Eine Strecke, die man mal probieren kann?

Laut Tarif sollte es ja möglich sein:
TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION
FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE CAN BE USED TO CREATE
ONE-WAY/ROUND-TRIP/CIRCLE-TRIP/OPEN-JAW JOURNEYS.

...oder?
Wäre für eure Hilfe sehr dankbar!
 
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WolfVanWeen

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wenn du glaubst, dass die von dir angegebenen Worte aus den Fare Rules auch nur im entferntesten etwas damit zu tun haben, ob ein 3x möglich sein könnte, musst du noch sehr, sehr viel Hausaufgaben machen, bevor du hier auch nur ansatzweise einen Tipp erwarten kannst
 

Lohausen

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Verständnisfrage: X3 op-CA gebucht und Ticket war von CA? Wer operiert die Langstrecke? - mit CA hatten wir ja auch schon mal Stornobericht im AFT-Thema...

Im AFT-Thread war ich der Betroffene. Aber nicht wegen eines Dumps, sondern weil AFT schlichtweg nicht an CA gezahlt hatte.

Dennoch kann sowohl ein OJ helfen, aber auch ein X3 in C1, wenn CA die Langstrecke bedient.
 

thelama

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vielleicht nicht uninteressant, c2-c6 doj r/t ca. 613€ sowohl ita als auch ota.

Reisezeitraum für oben genannten Preis September 2015
 
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ati

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wenn du glaubst, dass die von dir angegebenen Worte aus den Fare Rules auch nur im entferntesten etwas damit zu tun haben, ob ein 3x möglich sein könnte, musst du noch sehr, sehr viel Hausaufgaben machen, bevor du hier auch nur ansatzweise einen Tipp erwarten kannst

Danke für den Hinweis, aber das sind die einzigen Zeilen, die sich auch nur ansatzweise in diese Richtung beziehen. Klare Aussagen, wie bei humpty am 29.04.2015 beschrieben "DOUBLE OPEN JAWS NOT PERMITTED.
END-ON-END NOT PERMITTED. SIDE TRIPS NOT PERMITTED"
oder Ähnliches existieren einfach gar nicht in den Bedingungen. Heißt das dann, es ist nicht erlaubt und damit nicht möglich oder es ist nicht verboten und sollte damit möglich sein?

Tut mir leid, dass ich tatsächlich solch ein blutiger Anfänger bin, aber ein Hinweis in welche Richtung meine Hausaufgaben gemacht werden müssen, wäre konstruktiv.

Wenn mir also jemand weiterhelfen kann, wäre ich sehr dankbar.
 

WolfVanWeen

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Danke für den Hinweis, aber das sind die einzigen Zeilen, die sich auch nur ansatzweise in diese Richtung beziehen. Klare Aussagen, wie bei humpty am 29.04.2015 beschrieben "DOUBLE OPEN JAWS NOT PERMITTED.
END-ON-END NOT PERMITTED. SIDE TRIPS NOT PERMITTED"
oder Ähnliches existieren einfach gar nicht in den Bedingungen. Heißt das dann, es ist nicht erlaubt und damit nicht möglich oder es ist nicht verboten und sollte damit möglich sein?

Tut mir leid, dass ich tatsächlich solch ein blutiger Anfänger bin, aber ein Hinweis in welche Richtung meine Hausaufgaben gemacht werden müssen, wäre konstruktiv.

Wenn mir also jemand weiterhelfen kann, wäre ich sehr dankbar.
wenn es keine "Combinations" section gibt, wirst du einfach nichts machen können. ist aber sehr selten. Bist Du sicher, bei Iberia???
 
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ati

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Also hier mal mein Tarif.

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FQN1-1*AP,BO,CD,EL,MX,MN,OD,PE,RU
1 - PSGR P1 ADT                                   RULES DISPLAY
FARE COMPONENT  1    ADT FRALAX IB  NJXE2EU   PU 1 S
FCL: NJXE2EU   TRF: 864 RULE: JTEU BK:  N
SELLING UPDATER: S4 2DEFRA25Y
PTC: ADT-ADULT              FTC: XPF-INSTANT PURCHASE 4TH LVL
RU.RULE APPLICATION
FARE BY RULE
BETWEEN AREA 1 AND AREA 2
IB FARES
APPLICATION
AREA
THESE FARES APPLY
BETWEEN AREA 1 AND AREA 2.
CLASS OF SERVICE
THESE FARES APPLY FOR ECONOMY CLASS SERVICE.
TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION
FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE CAN BE USED TO CREATE
ONE-WAY/ROUND-TRIP/CIRCLE-TRIP/OPEN-JAW JOURNEYS.
THE TICKET OR ELECTRONIC IS NOT VALID IF THE FIRST
PAGE  1/15
COUPONS HAS NOT BEEN USED AND WILL NOT BE HONOURED
IF ALL THE COUPONS ARE NOT USED IN THE SEQUENCE
PROVIDED IN THE TICKET OR ELECTRONIC TICKET.
CAPACITY LIMITATIONS
THE CARRIER SHALL LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PASSENGERS CARRIED
ON ANY ONE FLIGHT AT FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE AND SUCH
FARES WILL NOT NECESSARILY BE AVAILABLE ON ALL FLIGHTS.
THE NUMBER OF SEATS WHICH THE CARRIER SHALL MAKE
AVAILABLE ON A GIVEN FLIGHT WILL BE DETERMINED BY THE
CARRIERS BEST JUDGMENT
OTHER CONDITIONS
PASSENGER EXPENSES NOT PERMITTED.
---
THE FARE THAT APPLIES ON THE DATE OF PURCHASE IS
ONLY VALID FOR THE ENTIRE ITINERARY AND THE
SPECIFIC TRAVEL DATES MENTIONED ON THE TICKET.
ANY MODIFICATION MAY REQUIRE THE PAYMENT OF AN
ADDITIONAL AMOUNT.
MN.MIN STAY
FARE BY RULE
PAGE  2/15
FOR NJXE2EU TYPE FARES
TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO EARLIER THAN
THE FIRST SUN AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN.
MX.MAX STAY
FARE BY RULE
BETWEEN AREA 2 AND AREA 1
TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO LATER THAN 12
MONTHS AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN.
AP.ADVANCE RES/TKT
FARE BY RULE
FROM/TO AREA 1
RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED FOR ALL SECTORS.
WHEN RESERVATIONS ARE MADE AT LEAST 4 DAYS BEFORE
DEPARTURE TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN 3 DAYS AFTER
RESERVATIONS ARE MADE.
OR - RESERVATIONS FOR ALL SECTORS AND TICKETING MUST BE
PAGE  3/15
COMPLETED AT THE SAME TIME.
NOTE -
TICKET NUMBER MUST BE SHOWN IN THE PNR AND TRANSMI
TTED TO THE AIRLINE.
DUE TO TTL ROBOT PROCESS DIFFERENCE COULD EXIST
BETWEEN THE CRS LAST TICKETING DATE AND TTL
ROBOT REMARK.
THE INFORMATION BY SSR IN THE PNR PREVAILS.
CD.CHILD DISCOUNTS
FARE BY RULE
FROM/TO THE UNITED STATES
ACCOMPANIED CHILD 2-11 - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE FARE.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - CH.
MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN SAME COMPARTMENT
BY ADULT 18 OR OLDER
OR - UNACCOMPANIED CHILD 5-11 - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE
FARE.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - CH.
NOTE -
PAGE  4/15
AN ADITIONAL SURCHARGE WILL BE APPLIED.
AN ACCEPTANCE LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF UNACCOMPANIED
CHILD WILL BE CONSIDER.
OR - UNACCOMPANIED CHILD 12-17 - CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF THE
FARE.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - ZS.
NOTE -
AN ADITIONAL SURCHARGE WILL BE APPLIED.
AN ACCEPTANCE LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF UNACCOMPANIED
CHILD WILL BE CONSIDER.
OR - INFANT UNDER 2 WITH A SEAT - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE
FARE.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - IN.
MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN SAME
COMPARTMENT BY ADULT 18 OR OLDER.
NOTE -
AN INFANT UNDER TWO YEARS WHO MAY TURN 2 YEARS
OF AGE BEFORE THE END OF THE TRIP MUST PAY A
CHILD FARE FOR THE ENTIRE JOURNEY.
OR - 1ST INFANT UNDER 2 WITHOUT A SEAT - CHARGE 10 PERCENT
OF THE FARE.
PAGE  5/15
TICKET DESIGNATOR - IN.
MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN SAME
COMPARTMENT BY ADULT 18 OR OLDER.
NOTE -
AN INFANT UNDER TWO YEARS WHO MAY TURN 2 YEARS
OF AGE BEFORE THE END OF THE TRIP MUST PAY A
CHILD FARE FOR THE ENTIRE JOURNEY.
CONTRACT BULK CHILD 2-11 - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE FARE.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - CH.
MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN SAME
COMPARTMENT BY ADULT 18 OR OLDER
OR - CONTRACT BULK CHILD 5-11 - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE
FARE.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - CH.
NOTE -
AN ADITIONAL SURCHARGE WILL BE APPLIED.
AN ACCEPTANCE LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF UNACCOMPANIED
CHILD WILL BE CONSIDER.
OR - CONTRACT BULK CHILD 12-17 - CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF THE
FARE.
PAGE  6/15
TICKET DESIGNATOR - ZS.
NOTE -
AN ADITIONAL SURCHARGE WILL BE APPLIED.
AN ACCEPTANCE LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF UNACCOMPANIED
CHILD WILL BE CONSIDER.
OR - CONTRACT BULK INFANT WITH A SEAT UNDER 2 - CHARGE 75
PERCENT OF THE FARE.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - IN.
MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN SAME
COMPARTMENT BY ADULT 18 OR OLDER.
NOTE -
AN INFANT UNDER TWO YEARS WHO MAY TURN 2 YEARS
OF AGE BEFORE THE END OF THE TRIP MUST PAY A
CHILD FARE FOR THE ENTIRE JOURNEY.
OR - 1ST CONTRACT BULK INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT UNDER 2 -
CHARGE 10 PERCENT OF THE FARE.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - IN.
MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN SAME
COMPARTMENT BY ADULT 18 OR OLDER.
NOTE -
AN INFANT UNDER TWO YEARS WHO MAY TURN 2 YEARS
PAGE  7/15
OF AGE BEFORE THE END OF THE TRIP MUST PAY A
CHILD FARE FOR THE ENTIRE JOURNEY.
OR - INDIVIDUAL INCLUSIVE TOUR CHILD 2-11 - CHARGE 75
PERCENT OF THE FARE.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - CH.
MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN SAME
COMPARTMENT BY ADULT 18 OR OLDER
OR - INDIVIDUAL INCLUSIVE TOUR CHILD 5-11 - CHARGE 75
PERCENT OF THE FARE.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - CH.
NOTE -
AN ADITIONAL SURCHARGE WILL BE APPLIED.
AN ACCEPTANCE LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF UNACCOMPANIED
CHILD WILL BE CONSIDER.
OR - INDIVIDUAL INCLUSIVE TOUR CHILD 12-17 - CHARGE 100
PERCENT OF THE FARE.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - ZS.
NOTE -
AN ADITIONAL SURCHARGE WILL BE APPLIED.
AN ACCEPTANCE LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF UNACCOMPANIED
CHILD WILL BE CONSIDER.
PAGE  8/15
OR - INCLUSIVE TOUR INFANT WITH A SEAT UNDER 2 - CHARGE 75
PERCENT OF THE FARE.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - IN.
MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN SAME
COMPARTMENT BY ADULT 18 OR OLDER.
NOTE -
AN INFANT UNDER TWO YEARS WHO MAY TURN 2 YEARS
OF AGE BEFORE THE END OF THE TRIP MUST PAY A
CHILD FARE FOR THE ENTIRE JOURNEY.
OR - 1ST INCLUSIVE TOUR INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT UNDER 2 -
CHARGE 10 PERCENT OF THE FARE.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - IN.
MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN SAME
COMPARTMENT BY ADULT 18 OR OLDER.
NOTE -
AN INFANT UNDER TWO YEARS WHO MAY TURN 2 YEARS
OF AGE BEFORE THE END OF THE TRIP MUST PAY A
CHILD FARE FOR THE ENTIRE JOURNEY.
OD.OTHER DISCOUNTS
NONE UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED
PAGE  9/15
PE.PENALTIES
FARE BY RULE
FOR NJXE2EU TYPE FARES
CANCELLATIONS
BEFORE DEPARTURE
CHARGE EUR 150.00/USD 215.00.
NOTE -
THE CHANGE FEE APPLIES PER TRANSACTION-PER PERSON
FOR ADULT AND CHILD. INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY.
CHILD DISCOUNTS DO NOT APPLY
THE ORIGINAL NON-REFUNDABLE AMOUNT REMAINS
NON-REFUNDABLE.
IN CASE OF NO-SHOW REFUND IS NOT PERMITTED.
----------------------------------------
WAIVED FOR DEATH OF A PASSENGER AND PASSENGER-S IN
MEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER / 1ST DEGREE RELATIONS ONLY/
OR FOR PASSENGER-S HOSPITAL ADMISSION.
----------------------------------------
PAGE 10/15
WHEN COMBINING FARES THAT HAVE CANCELLATION FEES T
HE HIGHEST CANCELLATION FEE OF EACH CANCELLED PRIC
ING UNIT APPLIES.
WITH THE FOLLOWING EXCEPTION-
WHEN COMBINING A REFUNDABLE FARE WITH A
NON-REFUNDABLE FARE
1-THE AMOUNT PAID ON THE REFUNDABLE FARE COMPONENT
IS REFUNDED LESS APPLICABLE PENALTY.
2-THE AMOUNT PAID ON THE NON-REFUNDABLE FARE COMPO
NENT WILL NOT BE REFUNDED.
AFTER DEPARTURE
TICKET IS NON-REFUNDABLE IN CASE OF CANCEL/NO-SHOW/
REFUND.
NOTE -
WAIVED FOR DEATH OF A PASSENGER AND PASSENGER-S IN
MEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER/1ST DEGREE RELATIONS ONLY/OR
FOR PASSENGER-S HOSPITAL ADMISSION.
----------------------------------
FOR FULLY UNUSED TICKETS
WHEN COMBINING FARES THAT HAVE CANCELLATION FEES T
PAGE 11/15
HE HIGHEST CANCELLATION FEE OF EACH CANCELLED
PRICING UNIT APPLIES.
WITH THE FOLLOWING EXCEPTION-
WHEN COMBINING A REFUNDABLE FARE WITH A
NON-REFUNDABLE FARE
1-THE AMOUNT PAID ON THE REFUNDABLE FARE COMPONENT
IS REFUNDED LESS APPLICABLE PENALTY.
2-THE AMOUNT PAID ON THE NON-REFUNDABLE FARE
COMPONENT WILL NOT BE REFUNDED.
--------------------------------------
FUEL AND INSURANCE SURCHARGES WILL NOT BE REFUNDED
CHANGES
ANY TIME
CHARGE EUR 120.00/USD 175.00 FOR REISSUE/REVALIDATION.
NOTE -
THE CHANGE FEE APPLIES PER TRANSACTION-PER PERSON
FOR ADULT AND CHILD
INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY
CHILD DISCOUNT DO NOT APPLY
PAGE 12/15
A CHANGE IS A ROUTING/OR DATE/OR FLIGHT MODIFICATI
ON.
CHANGE IS PERMITTED WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY OF ORIG
INAL TICKET.
THE ORIGINAL NON-REUNDABLE AMOUNT REMAINS
NON-REFUNDABLE.
---------------------------------
WHERE THIS FARE IS COMBINED WITH ANOTHER FARE AND
ONLY ONE FARE COMPONENT IS CHANGED THE PENALTY
CONDITIONS OF THE CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS WILL
APPLY.
WHEN MORE THAN ONE FARE COMPONENT IS BEING CHANGED
THE HIGHEST PENALTY OF ALL CHANGED FARE COMPONENT
S WILL APPLY.
---------------------------------
IN CASE OF UPGRADE TO A HIGHER FARE OR IF THE ITIN
ERARY RESULTS IN A HIGHER FARE THE DIFFERENCE
WILL BE COLLECTED -AND-THE CHANGE FEE WILL BE APPL
IED.
---------------------------------
WHEN THE NEW ITINERARY RESULTS IN A LOWER AMOUNT A
PAGE 13/15
REFUND OF THE RESIDUAL AMOUNT LESS THE APPLICABLE
PENALTY WILL BE MADE
---------------------------------
REISSUE/REVALIDATION MUST BE MADE AT THE SAME TIME
THE RESERVATION IS CHANGED OR PREVIOUS TO THE TIC
KETED FLIGHT DEPARTURE
---------------------------------
IN CASE OF NO-SHOW. CHANGE IS NOT PERMITTED.
---------------------------------
WAIVED FOR DEATH OF A PASSENGER AND PASSENGER-S
INMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER/1ST DEGREE RELATIONS
ONLY/OR FOR PASSENGER-S HOSPITAL ADMISSION.
//CHANGES BEFORE OUTBOUND DEPARTURE//
WHEN THE FIRST FARE COMPONENT IS CHANGED THE
ITINERARY MUST BE REPRICED USING CURRENT FARES IN
EFFECT ON THE DATE THE TICKET IS REISSUED.
---------------------------------
WHEN THERE ARE NO CHANGES TO THE FIRST FARE COMPON
ENT BUT OTHER FARE COMPONENTS ARE CHANGED THE ITIN
ERARY MUST BE REPRICED USING HISTORICAL FARES IN E
FFECT ON THE PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE OR CURRENT FA
PAGE 14/15
RES IN EFFECT ON THE DATE OF TICKET REISSUE WHICHE
VER IS LOWER.
--------------------------------
//CHANGES AFTER DEPARTURE//
THE ITINERARY MUST BE REPRICED USING HISTORICAL FA
RES IN EFFECT ON THE PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE.
THE NEW ITINERARY MUST MEET ALL RULE PROVISIONS OF
THE NEWLY TICKETED FARE -I.E ADVANCE RESERVATIONS
/TICKETING DEADLINE/MINIMUM/MAXIMUM STAY/BOOKING C
LASS/SESIONALITY/ETC-.
--------------------------------
ANY TIME
DOWNGRADING IS NOT PERMITTED
THE NEW TOTAL FARE MAY ONLY BE EQUAL OR HIGHER THA
N PREVIOUS. ANY CHANGE WITHIN THE SAME TYPE OF FAR
E INVOLVING SEASONALITY OR DAY/TIME IS NOT CONSIDE
RED DOWNGRADE.
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FQN1-2*AP,BO,CD,EL,MX,MN,OD,PE,RU
1 - PSGR P1 ADT                                   RULES DISPLAY
FARE COMPONENT  2    ADT SEAFRA IB  NJXE2EU   PU 1 S
FCL: NJXE2EU   TRF: 864 RULE: JTEU BK:  N
SELLING UPDATER: S4 2DEFRA25Y
PTC: ADT-ADULT              FTC: XPF-INSTANT PURCHASE 4TH LVL
RU.RULE APPLICATION
FARE BY RULE
BETWEEN AREA 1 AND AREA 2
IB FARES
APPLICATION
AREA
THESE FARES APPLY
BETWEEN AREA 1 AND AREA 2.
CLASS OF SERVICE
THESE FARES APPLY FOR ECONOMY CLASS SERVICE.
TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION
FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE CAN BE USED TO CREATE
ONE-WAY/ROUND-TRIP/CIRCLE-TRIP/OPEN-JAW JOURNEYS.
THE TICKET OR ELECTRONIC IS NOT VALID IF THE FIRST
PAGE  1/15
COUPONS HAS NOT BEEN USED AND WILL NOT BE HONOURED
IF ALL THE COUPONS ARE NOT USED IN THE SEQUENCE
PROVIDED IN THE TICKET OR ELECTRONIC TICKET.
CAPACITY LIMITATIONS
THE CARRIER SHALL LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PASSENGERS CARRIED
ON ANY ONE FLIGHT AT FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE AND SUCH
FARES WILL NOT NECESSARILY BE AVAILABLE ON ALL FLIGHTS.
THE NUMBER OF SEATS WHICH THE CARRIER SHALL MAKE
AVAILABLE ON A GIVEN FLIGHT WILL BE DETERMINED BY THE
CARRIERS BEST JUDGMENT
OTHER CONDITIONS
PASSENGER EXPENSES NOT PERMITTED.
---
THE FARE THAT APPLIES ON THE DATE OF PURCHASE IS
ONLY VALID FOR THE ENTIRE ITINERARY AND THE
SPECIFIC TRAVEL DATES MENTIONED ON THE TICKET.
ANY MODIFICATION MAY REQUIRE THE PAYMENT OF AN
ADDITIONAL AMOUNT.
MN.MIN STAY
FARE BY RULE
PAGE  2/15
FOR NJXE2EU TYPE FARES
TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO EARLIER THAN
THE FIRST SUN AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN.
MX.MAX STAY
FARE BY RULE
BETWEEN AREA 2 AND AREA 1
TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO LATER THAN 12
MONTHS AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN.
AP.ADVANCE RES/TKT
FARE BY RULE
FROM/TO AREA 1
RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED FOR ALL SECTORS.
WHEN RESERVATIONS ARE MADE AT LEAST 4 DAYS BEFORE
DEPARTURE TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN 3 DAYS AFTER
RESERVATIONS ARE MADE.
OR - RESERVATIONS FOR ALL SECTORS AND TICKETING MUST BE
PAGE  3/15
COMPLETED AT THE SAME TIME.
NOTE -
TICKET NUMBER MUST BE SHOWN IN THE PNR AND TRANSMI
TTED TO THE AIRLINE.
DUE TO TTL ROBOT PROCESS DIFFERENCE COULD EXIST
BETWEEN THE CRS LAST TICKETING DATE AND TTL
ROBOT REMARK.
THE INFORMATION BY SSR IN THE PNR PREVAILS.
CD.CHILD DISCOUNTS
FARE BY RULE
FROM/TO THE UNITED STATES
ACCOMPANIED CHILD 2-11 - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE FARE.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - CH.
MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN SAME COMPARTMENT
BY ADULT 18 OR OLDER
OR - UNACCOMPANIED CHILD 5-11 - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE
FARE.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - CH.
NOTE -
PAGE  4/15
AN ADITIONAL SURCHARGE WILL BE APPLIED.
AN ACCEPTANCE LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF UNACCOMPANIED
CHILD WILL BE CONSIDER.
OR - UNACCOMPANIED CHILD 12-17 - CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF THE
FARE.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - ZS.
NOTE -
AN ADITIONAL SURCHARGE WILL BE APPLIED.
AN ACCEPTANCE LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF UNACCOMPANIED
CHILD WILL BE CONSIDER.
OR - INFANT UNDER 2 WITH A SEAT - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE
FARE.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - IN.
MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN SAME
COMPARTMENT BY ADULT 18 OR OLDER.
NOTE -
AN INFANT UNDER TWO YEARS WHO MAY TURN 2 YEARS
OF AGE BEFORE THE END OF THE TRIP MUST PAY A
CHILD FARE FOR THE ENTIRE JOURNEY.
OR - 1ST INFANT UNDER 2 WITHOUT A SEAT - CHARGE 10 PERCENT
OF THE FARE.
PAGE  5/15
TICKET DESIGNATOR - IN.
MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN SAME
COMPARTMENT BY ADULT 18 OR OLDER.
NOTE -
AN INFANT UNDER TWO YEARS WHO MAY TURN 2 YEARS
OF AGE BEFORE THE END OF THE TRIP MUST PAY A
CHILD FARE FOR THE ENTIRE JOURNEY.
CONTRACT BULK CHILD 2-11 - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE FARE.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - CH.
MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN SAME
COMPARTMENT BY ADULT 18 OR OLDER
OR - CONTRACT BULK CHILD 5-11 - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE
FARE.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - CH.
NOTE -
AN ADITIONAL SURCHARGE WILL BE APPLIED.
AN ACCEPTANCE LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF UNACCOMPANIED
CHILD WILL BE CONSIDER.
OR - CONTRACT BULK CHILD 12-17 - CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF THE
FARE.
PAGE  6/15
TICKET DESIGNATOR - ZS.
NOTE -
AN ADITIONAL SURCHARGE WILL BE APPLIED.
AN ACCEPTANCE LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF UNACCOMPANIED
CHILD WILL BE CONSIDER.
OR - CONTRACT BULK INFANT WITH A SEAT UNDER 2 - CHARGE 75
PERCENT OF THE FARE.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - IN.
MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN SAME
COMPARTMENT BY ADULT 18 OR OLDER.
NOTE -
AN INFANT UNDER TWO YEARS WHO MAY TURN 2 YEARS
OF AGE BEFORE THE END OF THE TRIP MUST PAY A
CHILD FARE FOR THE ENTIRE JOURNEY.
OR - 1ST CONTRACT BULK INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT UNDER 2 -
CHARGE 10 PERCENT OF THE FARE.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - IN.
MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN SAME
COMPARTMENT BY ADULT 18 OR OLDER.
NOTE -
AN INFANT UNDER TWO YEARS WHO MAY TURN 2 YEARS
PAGE  7/15
OF AGE BEFORE THE END OF THE TRIP MUST PAY A
CHILD FARE FOR THE ENTIRE JOURNEY.
OR - INDIVIDUAL INCLUSIVE TOUR CHILD 2-11 - CHARGE 75
PERCENT OF THE FARE.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - CH.
MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN SAME
COMPARTMENT BY ADULT 18 OR OLDER
OR - INDIVIDUAL INCLUSIVE TOUR CHILD 5-11 - CHARGE 75
PERCENT OF THE FARE.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - CH.
NOTE -
AN ADITIONAL SURCHARGE WILL BE APPLIED.
AN ACCEPTANCE LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF UNACCOMPANIED
CHILD WILL BE CONSIDER.
OR - INDIVIDUAL INCLUSIVE TOUR CHILD 12-17 - CHARGE 100
PERCENT OF THE FARE.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - ZS.
NOTE -
AN ADITIONAL SURCHARGE WILL BE APPLIED.
AN ACCEPTANCE LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF UNACCOMPANIED
CHILD WILL BE CONSIDER.
PAGE  8/15
OR - INCLUSIVE TOUR INFANT WITH A SEAT UNDER 2 - CHARGE 75
PERCENT OF THE FARE.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - IN.
MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN SAME
COMPARTMENT BY ADULT 18 OR OLDER.
NOTE -
AN INFANT UNDER TWO YEARS WHO MAY TURN 2 YEARS
OF AGE BEFORE THE END OF THE TRIP MUST PAY A
CHILD FARE FOR THE ENTIRE JOURNEY.
OR - 1ST INCLUSIVE TOUR INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT UNDER 2 -
CHARGE 10 PERCENT OF THE FARE.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - IN.
MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN SAME
COMPARTMENT BY ADULT 18 OR OLDER.
NOTE -
AN INFANT UNDER TWO YEARS WHO MAY TURN 2 YEARS
OF AGE BEFORE THE END OF THE TRIP MUST PAY A
CHILD FARE FOR THE ENTIRE JOURNEY.
OD.OTHER DISCOUNTS
NONE UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED
PAGE  9/15
PE.PENALTIES
FARE BY RULE
FOR NJXE2EU TYPE FARES
CANCELLATIONS
BEFORE DEPARTURE
CHARGE EUR 150.00/USD 215.00.
NOTE -
THE CHANGE FEE APPLIES PER TRANSACTION-PER PERSON
FOR ADULT AND CHILD. INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY.
CHILD DISCOUNTS DO NOT APPLY
THE ORIGINAL NON-REFUNDABLE AMOUNT REMAINS
NON-REFUNDABLE.
IN CASE OF NO-SHOW REFUND IS NOT PERMITTED.
----------------------------------------
WAIVED FOR DEATH OF A PASSENGER AND PASSENGER-S IN
MEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER / 1ST DEGREE RELATIONS ONLY/
OR FOR PASSENGER-S HOSPITAL ADMISSION.
----------------------------------------
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WHEN COMBINING FARES THAT HAVE CANCELLATION FEES T
HE HIGHEST CANCELLATION FEE OF EACH CANCELLED PRIC
ING UNIT APPLIES.
WITH THE FOLLOWING EXCEPTION-
WHEN COMBINING A REFUNDABLE FARE WITH A
NON-REFUNDABLE FARE
1-THE AMOUNT PAID ON THE REFUNDABLE FARE COMPONENT
IS REFUNDED LESS APPLICABLE PENALTY.
2-THE AMOUNT PAID ON THE NON-REFUNDABLE FARE COMPO
NENT WILL NOT BE REFUNDED.
AFTER DEPARTURE
TICKET IS NON-REFUNDABLE IN CASE OF CANCEL/NO-SHOW/
REFUND.
NOTE -
WAIVED FOR DEATH OF A PASSENGER AND PASSENGER-S IN
MEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER/1ST DEGREE RELATIONS ONLY/OR
FOR PASSENGER-S HOSPITAL ADMISSION.
----------------------------------
FOR FULLY UNUSED TICKETS
WHEN COMBINING FARES THAT HAVE CANCELLATION FEES T
PAGE 11/15
HE HIGHEST CANCELLATION FEE OF EACH CANCELLED
PRICING UNIT APPLIES.
WITH THE FOLLOWING EXCEPTION-
WHEN COMBINING A REFUNDABLE FARE WITH A
NON-REFUNDABLE FARE
1-THE AMOUNT PAID ON THE REFUNDABLE FARE COMPONENT
IS REFUNDED LESS APPLICABLE PENALTY.
2-THE AMOUNT PAID ON THE NON-REFUNDABLE FARE
COMPONENT WILL NOT BE REFUNDED.
--------------------------------------
FUEL AND INSURANCE SURCHARGES WILL NOT BE REFUNDED
CHANGES
ANY TIME
CHARGE EUR 120.00/USD 175.00 FOR REISSUE/REVALIDATION.
NOTE -
THE CHANGE FEE APPLIES PER TRANSACTION-PER PERSON
FOR ADULT AND CHILD
INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY
CHILD DISCOUNT DO NOT APPLY
PAGE 12/15
A CHANGE IS A ROUTING/OR DATE/OR FLIGHT MODIFICATI
ON.
CHANGE IS PERMITTED WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY OF ORIG
INAL TICKET.
THE ORIGINAL NON-REUNDABLE AMOUNT REMAINS
NON-REFUNDABLE.
---------------------------------
WHERE THIS FARE IS COMBINED WITH ANOTHER FARE AND
ONLY ONE FARE COMPONENT IS CHANGED THE PENALTY
CONDITIONS OF THE CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS WILL
APPLY.
WHEN MORE THAN ONE FARE COMPONENT IS BEING CHANGED
THE HIGHEST PENALTY OF ALL CHANGED FARE COMPONENT
S WILL APPLY.
---------------------------------
IN CASE OF UPGRADE TO A HIGHER FARE OR IF THE ITIN
ERARY RESULTS IN A HIGHER FARE THE DIFFERENCE
WILL BE COLLECTED -AND-THE CHANGE FEE WILL BE APPL
IED.
---------------------------------
WHEN THE NEW ITINERARY RESULTS IN A LOWER AMOUNT A
PAGE 13/15
REFUND OF THE RESIDUAL AMOUNT LESS THE APPLICABLE
PENALTY WILL BE MADE
---------------------------------
REISSUE/REVALIDATION MUST BE MADE AT THE SAME TIME
THE RESERVATION IS CHANGED OR PREVIOUS TO THE TIC
KETED FLIGHT DEPARTURE
---------------------------------
IN CASE OF NO-SHOW. CHANGE IS NOT PERMITTED.
---------------------------------
WAIVED FOR DEATH OF A PASSENGER AND PASSENGER-S
INMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER/1ST DEGREE RELATIONS
ONLY/OR FOR PASSENGER-S HOSPITAL ADMISSION.
//CHANGES BEFORE OUTBOUND DEPARTURE//
WHEN THE FIRST FARE COMPONENT IS CHANGED THE
ITINERARY MUST BE REPRICED USING CURRENT FARES IN
EFFECT ON THE DATE THE TICKET IS REISSUED.
---------------------------------
WHEN THERE ARE NO CHANGES TO THE FIRST FARE COMPON
ENT BUT OTHER FARE COMPONENTS ARE CHANGED THE ITIN
ERARY MUST BE REPRICED USING HISTORICAL FARES IN E
FFECT ON THE PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE OR CURRENT FA
PAGE 14/15
RES IN EFFECT ON THE DATE OF TICKET REISSUE WHICHE
VER IS LOWER.
--------------------------------
//CHANGES AFTER DEPARTURE//
THE ITINERARY MUST BE REPRICED USING HISTORICAL FA
RES IN EFFECT ON THE PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE.
THE NEW ITINERARY MUST MEET ALL RULE PROVISIONS OF
THE NEWLY TICKETED FARE -I.E ADVANCE RESERVATIONS
/TICKETING DEADLINE/MINIMUM/MAXIMUM STAY/BOOKING C
LASS/SESIONALITY/ETC-.
--------------------------------
ANY TIME
DOWNGRADING IS NOT PERMITTED
THE NEW TOTAL FARE MAY ONLY BE EQUAL OR HIGHER THA
N PREVIOUS. ANY CHANGE WITHIN THE SAME TYPE OF FAR
E INVOLVING SEASONALITY OR DAY/TIME IS NOT CONSIDE
RED DOWNGRADE.
--------------------------------
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Schaut gern selbst, aber ich finde da nix über "Combinations".
 

vikingX

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Keine Ahnung wo du deine Farerules her hast, ausserdem finde ich den Tarif auch nicht besonders speziell.. Da ich aber grad nix zu tun hab, hier deine Combinability..Viel Spass damit..


Code:
END-ON-END
     END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED WITH DOMESTIC
     FARES FROM/TO NORTH AMERICA. VALIDATE ALL FARE
     COMPONENTS. SIDE TRIPS PERMITTED WITH NO
     RESTRICTIONS.
     END-ON-END NOTE -
       ADDONS PERMITTED
   END-ON-END
     END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED WITH US-CANADA
     TRANSBORDER FARES. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMPONENTS.
     SIDE TRIPS PERMITTED WITH NO RESTRICTIONS. FARES
     MUST BE SHOWN SEPARATELY ON THE TICKET.
     NOTE -
       ADDONS PERMITTED
   END-ON-END
     END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED WITH INTERNATIONAL
     FARES. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMPONENTS. SIDE TRIPS
     PERMITTED WITH NO RESTRICTIONS.
     NOTE -
       ADDONS PERMITTED
     PROVIDED -
       COMBINATIONS ARE NOT FOR CARRIER AA/BA/IB/AY/US
       WITHIN EUROPE.
   OPEN JAWS
     FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
     -TO FORM SINGLE OR DOUBLE OPEN JAWS
      A MAXIMUM OF TWO INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS
      PERMITTED. MILEAGE OF THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE EQUAL/
      LESS THAN MILEAGE OF THE LONGEST FLOWN FARE
      COMPONENT.
     PROVIDED -
       WHEN THE OPEN SEGMENT OCCURS
       -WITHIN NORTH AMERICA OR WITHIN EUROPE
        COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER IB/BA/
        AY/US IN ANY RULE IN TARIFF
        AATBAR  - BETWEEN THE USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 VIA ATL
        FBRA12P - BETWEEN AREA 1/2 EXCEPT USA/CA
        FBRA13P - BETWEEN AREA 1/3 EXCEPT USA/CA
        FBRINPV - BETWEEN USA/CA-AREA 1/2/3
        IPRA    - BETWEEN USA/CA-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2
        IPRAI   - BETWEEN THE USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 VIA ATL
        IPRSAA2 - BETWEEN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 2
        VIA ATL
        IPRSAA3 - SOUTH ATLANTIC/CENTRAL/SOUTH AMERICA/
        MEXICO/CARIBBEAN/GREENLAND/ST PIERRE ET MIQUELON -
        AREA 3
        SA2BAR  - BETWEEN WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 2 VIA
        ATL
        SA3BAR  - BETWEEN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 3
        VIA ATL
        TAFPBAR - BETWEEN AREA 1-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA
        2.
   OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS
     FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
     -TO FORM SINGLE OPEN JAWS
      A MAXIMUM OF TWO INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS
      PERMITTED. MILEAGE OF THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE EQUAL/
      LESS THAN MILEAGE OF THE LONGEST FLOWN FARE
      COMPONENT.
     -TO FORM ROUND TRIPS
     -TO FORM CIRCLE TRIPS EXCEPT FOR AROUND-THE-WORLD
      FARES
      A MAXIMUM OF 2 FARE BREAK POINTS PERMITTED.
     OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS NOTE -
       ADDONS PERMITTED
     PROVIDED -
       COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER IB/BA/
       AY/US IN ANY RULE IN TARIFF
       AATBAR  - BETWEEN THE USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 VIA ATL
       FBRA12P - BETWEEN AREA 1/2 EXCEPT USA/CA
       FBRA13P - BETWEEN AREA 1/3 EXCEPT USA/CA
       FBRINPV - BETWEEN USA/CA-AREA 1/2/3
       IPRA    - BETWEEN USA/CA-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2
       IPRAI   - BETWEEN THE USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 VIA ATL
       IPRSAA2 - BETWEEN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 2
       VIA ATL
       IPRSAA3 - SOUTH ATLANTIC/CENTRAL/SOUTH AMERICA/
       MEXICO/CARIBBEAN/GREENLAND/ST PIERRE ET MIQUELON -
       AREA 3
       SA2BAR  - BETWEEN WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 2 VIA
       ATL
       SA3BAR  - BETWEEN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 3
       VIA ATL
       TAFPBAR - BETWEEN AREA 1-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2.
   OPEN JAWS
     FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
     -TO FORM SINGLE OPEN JAWS
      A MAXIMUM OF TWO INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS
      PERMITTED. MILEAGE OF THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE EQUAL/
      LESS THAN MILEAGE OF THE LONGEST FLOWN FARE
      COMPONENT.
     PROVIDED -
       COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER AA/BA/
       IB/AY/US IN RULE 7097/7098/7099/7100/8005 IN
       TARIFF
       AATBAR  - BETWEEN THE USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 VIA ATL.
       WHEN THE OPEN SEGMENT OCCURS
       -WITHIN NORTH AMERICA OR WITHIN EUROPE
        COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER AA IN
        ANY RULE IN TARIFF
        IPRA    - BETWEEN USA/CA-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2
        IPRAI   - BETWEEN THE USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 VIA ATL
        IPRSAA2 - BETWEEN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 2
        VIA ATL
        IPRSAA3 - SOUTH ATLANTIC/CENTRAL/SOUTH AMERICA/
        MEXICO/CARIBBEAN/GREENLAND/ST PIERRE ET MIQUELON -
        AREA 3.
   OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS
     FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
     -TO FORM SINGLE OPEN JAWS
      A MAXIMUM OF TWO INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS
      PERMITTED. MILEAGE OF THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE EQUAL/
      LESS THAN MILEAGE OF THE LONGEST FLOWN FARE
      COMPONENT.
     -TO FORM ROUND TRIPS
     -TO FORM CIRCLE TRIPS EXCEPT FOR AROUND-THE-WORLD
      FARES
      A MAXIMUM OF TWO INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS
      PERMITTED.
     PROVIDED -
       COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER AA IN
       ANY RULE IN TARIFF
       IPRA    - BETWEEN USA/CA-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2
       IPRAI   - BETWEEN THE USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 VIA ATL
       IPRSAA2 - BETWEEN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 2
       VIA ATL.
   NOTE - THE CITY PAIRS BELOW ARE CONSIDERED THE SAME
          POINT -
          BUR-LGB  BUR-SNA  BWI-WAS  FLL-MIA  LAX-BUR
          LAX-LGB  LAX-ONT  LAX-SNA  LGB-SNA  NYC-EWR
          OAK-SFO  OAK-SJC  ONT-BUR  ONT-LGB  ONT-SNA
          SFO-SJC
 

thelama

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genau, steht teilweise schon an der ein oder anderen bekannten stelle. aber ist ein guter deal.
 

thelama

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C2 - in die Heimat von Bruddah Iz - im Dezember mit *A um ~677$

edit: Buchungsklasse L, steht aber auch schon wo anders
 
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hit

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Darf ich mal fragen, wo der offizielle Thread zu finden ist?

Irgendwie bin ich zu doof zum suchen... :(